tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36373883.post5831545966219296290..comments2019-12-01T07:24:48.201-08:00Comments on Coyote Times: Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36373883.post-37338425285213224062007-02-16T09:00:00.000-08:002007-02-16T09:00:00.000-08:00"All of this abuse and hyperbole from someone who ..."All of this abuse and hyperbole from someone who boldly states "This is free territory, where left and right, the good, bad and the ugly, and everything in between gets to belly up to the bar, chew the fat, and wrestle in the mud, the blood and the beer of unrestricted freedom of speech" at the head of their blog.<BR/><BR/>Amazing." wrote Sentinel.<BR/><BR/>What can I say? You are here and have had your say. It is not necessary that I agree with you. Which I don't, at least on all your points.<BR/><BR/>And you are still welcome back. :-)Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01434417442724482063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36373883.post-20165565651123446592007-02-16T08:57:00.000-08:002007-02-16T08:57:00.000-08:00"Nice precedent. And one which others, in other pl..."Nice precedent. And one which others, in other places, who also 'subscribe' to similar principles ought to emulate." wrote Anonymous.<BR/><BR/>Thanks, Anonymous. ;-) wink.Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01434417442724482063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36373883.post-21047962415903715582007-02-16T08:34:00.000-08:002007-02-16T08:34:00.000-08:00Thanks for that Coyote. Nice to see that openness ...Thanks for that Coyote. Nice to see that openness and free speech doesn't mean that disagreeable ideas won't be met with reason and fairness or, for that matter, instant deletion.<BR/><BR/>Nice precedent. And one which others, in other places, who also 'subscribe' to similar principles ought to emulate.<BR/><BR/>Well done.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36373883.post-26381843747492823272007-02-16T03:57:00.000-08:002007-02-16T03:57:00.000-08:00"you are a kind of "true believer"{...}as your nut..."you are a kind of "true believer"{...}as your nutbar{...}you are just another brownshirt nutbar{...}All that is really sinister here is yourself..."<BR/><BR/><BR/>Like I said, all of this is just 'argumentum ad hominem' and it is now the third time you have used it; merely adding to the litany of abuse each time. <BR/><BR/>If this is your idea of free speech and the conduct of it, you may as well give up right now.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>"There are just too many leaps of faith in your theory{...}Other than, and I'm taking your word for it here, just to make a point, all of them occurred in the same year{...}And I haven't even begun to critically examine the factuality of the claims you make on the year 1913 alone{...}Coincidences to do not facts make{...}Without something more to go on here than your mere speculations..."<BR/><BR/><BR/>Absolutely amazing. You admit that you know nothing about it at all. Nothing. <BR/><BR/>You do not even know that they were all formed in the same year but you still manage to spit a lot of venom and pour a lot of scorn onto these facts from a position of complete ignorance. <BR/><BR/>You are too lazy to even do five minutes research, but only too eager to throw around unfounded insults.<BR/><BR/>Maybe start here, and see if they even attempt to deny it, and look at the date at the bottom:<BR/><BR/>http://www.adl.org/PresRele/NatIsl_81/2403_81.asp<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>"Show me the official and verifiable minutes of the meetings"<BR/><BR/><BR/>I don't have the official and verifiable minutes of the meeting between your mother and father when you were conceived but I know that it happened. <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>"...cross referencing statements by the parties involved..."<BR/><BR/><BR/>Do you want me to blow your nose and wipe your arse as well? You are the one disputing the veracity of the facts.<BR/><BR/><BR/>" have my own private conspiracy going here-, to bring down capitalism and transform society"<BR/><BR/><BR/>Good luck, I think you will need it.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>All of this abuse and hyperbole from someone who boldly states "This is free territory, where left and right, the good, bad and the ugly, and everything in between gets to belly up to the bar, chew the fat, and wrestle in the mud, the blood and the beer of unrestricted freedom of speech" at the head of their blog.<BR/><BR/>Amazing.The Sentinelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18407669804421969164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36373883.post-59601908994144380612007-02-15T19:31:00.000-08:002007-02-15T19:31:00.000-08:00"Of course. But when you watch football, not matte..."Of course. But when you watch football, not matter how you interpret the lead up, a goal is still a goal. Much the same way as the FRB came first, then came the IRS to milk the citizens for it, the FBI to protect it all and then the ADL to defame dissenters." Sentinel.<BR/><BR/>Except, though you don't seem to want to hear it, I suspect because you are a kind of "true believer" yourself, we are talking about goals in two different games here.<BR/><BR/>Because one comes first, and one comes second, it does not necessarily follow that the third is even connected to either previous event. That is the case you have failed to make. There are just too many leaps of faith in your theory-, that the development of the Anti-Defamation League is in any way connected to the other developments you indicate. Other than, and I'm taking your word for it here, just to make a point, all of them occurred in the same year.<BR/><BR/>Big deal.<BR/><BR/>Which proves nothing in so far as your nutbar Jewish Conspiracy theory. Show me the official and verifiable minutes of the meetings, or some other such tangible evidence, even cross referencing statements by the parties involved, or even a veiled admission-, other than the coincidence of the year 1913 that connects them, and you may be in the ballpark of making a real connection. <BR/><BR/>And I haven't even begun to critically examine the factuality of the claims you make on the year 1913 alone. Which would have to be examined in detail as well, from reasonably objective, not nutbar sources.<BR/><BR/>Which is at this point leading me to conclude that you are just another brownshirt nutbar such as we encounter from time to time when attempting to have a critical and objective discussion about Israel, Zionism and the Jews, of at least it is as high a likelihood as your claim.<BR/><BR/>Coincidences to do not facts make, but merely point to a threadbare thin hypothetical possibility.<BR/><BR/>Without something more to go on here than your mere speculations, your rationality is spinning in tight circles, chasing its own tail, and there is little point of substance to even continuing this discussion-, from my perspective.<BR/><BR/>All that is really sinister here is yourself, though you do make a number of good points about the private banks printing money etc. And which is not to say that there were no Jews, or Catholics, Protestants or even Masons and Knights Templar involved in any or all of these events. Just that your global Jewish conspiracy theory, allowing that all movements are conspiracies to one degree or another, more and less effective, falls flat on its face.<BR/><BR/>Indeed, I have my own private conspiracy going here-, to bring down capitalism and transform society.<BR/><BR/>Like I say, though you choose to ignore this, my bet is many organizations, official and otherwise, came into being and passed out of existence in 1913. Coincidence, not of itself evidence of a Jewish conspiracy to dominate the world.<BR/><BR/>There is more of a Hitlerian ring to all this than factual evidence. You know the one about a lie repeated often, loudly and insistently enough.Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01434417442724482063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36373883.post-75014999320436104912007-02-15T18:38:00.000-08:002007-02-15T18:38:00.000-08:00There are many different views of the world"Of cou...There are many different views of the world"<BR/><BR/>Of course. But when you watch football, not matter how you interpret the lead up, a goal is still a goal. Much the same way as the FRB came first, then came the IRS to milk the citizens for it, the FBI to protect it all and then the ADL to defame dissenters.<BR/><BR/>And pretty much how all 'national debts' are devoid of reality. Explain to me the alternative theory to that.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>"...At and after which point you lose me..."<BR/><BR/><BR/>It is not hard to check for yourself. The founders were almost exclusively Jewish. It is a fact. <BR/><BR/>Do with it as you will; I made no suggestions. <BR/><BR/>Just because you may not want to hear a fact it does not make it any less true.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>"So we will simply have to differ...)<BR/><BR/><BR/>I make no attempt to convince you of anything. I have merely presented some facts that are easily verifiable.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>"...even though many a good lie often starts out with a grain of truth-, such as I suggest, you are spinning here{...}my wingnut troll sensors are really going off here..."<BR/><BR/><BR/>This is also termed 'argumentum ad hominem' and it is the second time you have used it. <BR/><BR/>You have attempted to discredit me personally rather then directly addressing the substance of my comments; you have also invoked the use of 'ad hominem circumstantiae' in the same vein.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>"In reality, the Jews are really no better nor worse than the rest of us"<BR/><BR/>I never mentioned anything of the sort. Again, I merely presented facts.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>"... the Jews were one of the handy to hand scapegoats{...} The holocaust just made them a little more desparate..."<BR/><BR/><BR/>If you look into history in a bit more detail you will find that the Jews have rarely been merely just scapegoats; some unfathomable, wholly inexplicably phenomena as to why immense animosity has been directed at them.<BR/><BR/>Largely, as a group who believe themselves to be the 'chosen people' and a community that does not like to mix, they have set themselves apart from the host countries they have resided in whilst deliberately seeking positions of influence and vast profit: Banking, media, and politics. <BR/><BR/>Because the of closeness and 'closed off' nature of their community and some of the beliefs they hold natural questions are asked about motive and intent.<BR/><BR/>This has happened throughout history. Sometimes without justification, sometimes with.<BR/><BR/>This is not anti-Semitism to say these things. They are all true.<BR/><BR/>No one is above criticism; it is only when an aura is placed around a group that suggest they are do the real problems begin.The Sentinelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18407669804421969164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36373883.post-28209507789513866652007-02-15T15:55:00.000-08:002007-02-15T15:55:00.000-08:00There are many different views of the world, and a...There are many different views of the world, and all the elements and events that make it up, no doubt.<BR/><BR/>"The FRB were identified, quite openly at the time, of being made up almost exclusively of Jews (to this day their has never been a non-Jewish director of the Federal Reserve system) which the led to the formation of:" wrote Sentinel.<BR/><BR/>At and after which point you lose me, because it seems to me that one does not necessarily follow the other-, unless one is ready to make the leap of faith which you suddenly do here, that the Jews are responsible for it all still, or so it seems to me.<BR/><BR/>While I accept that many small and large "conspiracies" are in fact a part of life, though we often dress them up and attempt explain them away to something less, my wingnut troll sensors are really going off here. For there are also other kinds of conspiracies which exist, of which the Holocaust was the result of one, 'twixt the German ruling class who feared a Communist revolution and the Nazis who were prepared to eliminate that problem for them, of which the Jews were one of the handy to hand scapegoats in the process as well.<BR/><BR/>So we will simply have to differ, even though many a good lie often starts out with a grain of truth-, such as I suggest, you are spinning here.<BR/><BR/>Nobody has a monopoly on evil, neither us, not even capitalism, or the Jews.<BR/><BR/>I see their influence merely being some inordinate right now, largely for the initial reasons of especially European guilt, which they fobbed off for criminal compensation onto the poor Palestinians, launching another European inspired Holcaust conspiracy-, AND for reasons having to do with the poswar rise of US imperialism and its empire ambitions (as the older British Empire imploded in the postwar)-, within which real conspiracy the Zionist Jews and their Israeli State have to now, at least, been useful in helping the new US Empire effort, how e're currently failing, control the Middle East.<BR/><BR/>Merely now all falling in on itself, like I say, and for which the Jews again, regrettably, are likely to again be the West's scapegoats and pay the higher price in the end. Like I say, it seems to me, regrettably.<BR/><BR/>In reality, the Jews are really no better nor worse than the rest of us. The holocaust just made them a little more desparate, such that they were prepared even to resort to the crime of stealing the land of the Palestinians and carrying out a holocaust against them, which is still ongoing.Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01434417442724482063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36373883.post-87935751020756518122007-02-15T13:47:00.000-08:002007-02-15T13:47:00.000-08:00"still pretty much looks more like a coincidence a..."still pretty much looks more like a coincidence as an explanation yet to me"<BR/><BR/><BR/>In 1913 the United States government gave control of its economy to private financiers, calling themselves the Federal Reserve Bank. Amongst other, absolutely insane powers granted to this private, profit making cabal was the exclusive right to print US dollars and mint US coins, which are then sold back to the government at a high interest price. The use of this technique has created the smoke and mirrors reality of 'national debt' (a national debt so steep that, even the FRB admits could not be paid if every man, woman and child in the US gave up everything they own to pay it.)<BR/><BR/>Which then led to:<BR/><BR/>The IRS being set up in 1913 to collect tax on an unprecedented scale, federally, to pay for this new 'national debt'<BR/><BR/>Which led to the:<BR/><BR/>BOI (Bureau of Investigation, forerunner of the FBI) being given federal powers in 1913 to investigate and enforce violations and evasions of the new tax system, robberies of FRB facilities and general finical crimes that were prevalent in anger and protest at the two events above.<BR/><BR/>The FRB were identified, quite openly at the time, of being made up almost exclusively of Jews (to this day their has never been a non-Jewish director of the Federal Reserve system) which the led to the formation of:<BR/><BR/>The ADL, or 'B'nai B'rith' in direct response to the charges of conspiratorial usury. The organisation has stayed with us ever since.<BR/><BR/>All facts, all checkable.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>"I'm sure a whole bunch other institutions and organizations got going in that year too, if we had a full list. Are they too then part of this same conspiracy?"<BR/><BR/><BR/>Look into the reasons behind why that these four organisations came into being in the same year for yourself and then tell me if you think that this may be a facile statement.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>"...It might give you all a better understanding of,perhaps, where this guy is actually coming from."<BR/><BR/><BR/>Where am I coming from exactly? <BR/><BR/>Have you already decided my label / pigeon hole / box / affiliation? <BR/><BR/>Everything I have posted is reasoned and / or sourced.<BR/><BR/> It may not be fashionable to say, or even pleasant to hear, but truth often isn't.The Sentinelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18407669804421969164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36373883.post-52566408759828099812007-02-15T11:50:00.000-08:002007-02-15T11:50:00.000-08:00Larry,They don't want to do me any favours. 8-DSen...Larry,<BR/><BR/>They don't want to do me any favours. 8-D<BR/><BR/>Sentinel,<BR/><BR/>You are off on a different wavelength than I am altogether, Sentinel. Even if what you say is true, and I don't really know that, with, "First, the Federal Reserve Bank, the IRS, the FBI and the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith. All were set up in the same year. Is that a coincidence? Or is there a tie in?", still pretty much looks more like a coincidence as an explanation yet to me. I'm sure a whole bunch other institutions and organizations got going in that year too, if we had a full list. Are they too then part of this same conspiracy?<BR/><BR/>I think not.<BR/><BR/>You're going to need more hard evidence than this sheer speculative fantasy, to convince me of this oarticular "Jewish Conspiracy" theory here, frankly. And I don't deny that "the Jewish Lobby" such as is the ADL, like the Knights of Columbus, sundry organizations of evangelicals etc. etc. all constitute a kind of low level conspiracy, fully rejectable by an understanding public. Capitalism and its particular ruling class functions, no doubt, within complex sets of competing class AND "other" interests.<BR/><BR/>Hell, even we Scottish-Canadians, and atheists for example, have our own low level conspiracy organizations to try and advance our interests. Don't see squat wrong with it.<BR/><BR/>Though, we do have a right to be some concerned when one or another seems to be exerting an undue and democracy bypassing influence. And I have my concers about ADL as well. <BR/><BR/>Additionally, some of you other readers may want to check out: http://truthatsentinel.blogspot.com/<BR/>It might give you all a better understanding of, [i]perhaps[/i], where this guy is actually coming from.<BR/><BR/>That said "everyone" gets their right to speak here. Everyone.<BR/><BR/>We just all need to be able to separate "fact" from "fantasy", and "bigotry". Not always easy, I 'fess.Coyotehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01434417442724482063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36373883.post-24179370919490770982007-02-15T08:57:00.000-08:002007-02-15T08:57:00.000-08:00The ADL is typical of the double speak that the Is...The ADL is typical of the double speak that the Israelis are so fond of: It serves little other purpose then to defame anyone it perceives as an opponent, secondary of course to its intelligence gathering operations; spying on, and collating information about not just US citizens but citizens globally.<BR/><BR/>If it were any other group that carried out activities such as these, funded by largely by a foreign government the US would no doubt have closed it down a long time ago.<BR/><BR/>It has a very curious history and formation, as pointed many times by many people, including Louis Farrakhan:<BR/>"In 1913, something happened. Four things were set up in the year 1913. First, the Federal Reserve Bank, the IRS, the FBI and the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith. All were set up in the same year. Is that a coincidence? Or is there a tie in?"<BR/><BR/>An unsavoury source, maybe. Factually correct, defiantly.<BR/><BR/>Very sinister.The Sentinelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18407669804421969164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36373883.post-62639395463794615362007-02-14T19:27:00.000-08:002007-02-14T19:27:00.000-08:00No David Beers or Terry Glavin yet. Hmmm... Pienso...No David Beers or Terry Glavin yet. Hmmm... Pienso no hay muchos huevos!Larry Gambonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04965037776214596919noreply@blogger.com